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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's a skeptic zone podcast episode

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number 423 for the 27th of November 2016

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Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia I'm have a look out the

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window overcast overcast maybe a bit of

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rain get the washing in looking at that

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weather what's coming up on the show

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this week we're going to kick off with a

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grain of salt from a ron cey give part

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of his continuing reports my goodness me

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he was busy from QED double Lance ago

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now in Manchester this week Iran chats

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two miles power a youtuber who fights

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misinformation on GMOs black selves

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that's nasty stuff and many other things

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but I quite like miles he points out

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various problems with magical thinking

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in quackery really that black salvas

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awful stuff an interesting interview I'm

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sure you'll find coming up at the top of

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the show and don't forget you can find

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links to two miles videos and online

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activities on the show notes this week

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after that brouhaha from Australia's

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science channel a new series we're

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trying out on the zone it's working

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quite well very short snippets of

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information this week ten Yemaya looks

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at large telescopes in China would you

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like to go and visit then it's Maynard

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spooky action now for some crazy reason

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Maynard how reporter main had ended up

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with a ticket to go and see dr. Lisa

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Randall here in Australia luckily for me

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I was there too what a night it was

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fascinating what I want an interesting

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series of topics and issues were brought

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up everything from dinosaurs to the

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speed of light fascinating stuff a

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report on the evening from may not

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including a short interview of dr. Lisa

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Randall herself cigna Dina even Bryce

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from Australian skeptics and a

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smattering of other people to give their

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thoughts and impressions on the evening

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itself and thank you once again to think

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inc after that another blast from the

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past and our continuing look at the

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mind-body wallet festival over the years

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this time we pick a

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report from 1998 from dr. Trevor case

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who visited the main body wallet here in

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Sydney we have some committee members at

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the time I can't help that thinking one

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day would be nice to have the whole mind

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bodies I nearly said spirit by accident

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mind-body wallet festival raided by the

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federal authorities or the health

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authorities or the Boy Scouts or anybody

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could this mean what goes on there and

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then to round off the show news from the

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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they had their national convention in

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Melbourne factor it's still going on as

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I speak day two I think Ed's at Ernst is

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up there speaking right now and I know

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I'll report a Heidi Robertson will be on

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a panel later on and goodness me our

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dear reporter Joe alabaster gave a talk

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there yesterday are so proud to see

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photographs and see that she was giving

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a report good on you Joe great work and

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looking forward to having evidence

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please back on the skeptic zone in due

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course anyway from the National

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Convention we're going to find out the

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winner of this year's bent spoon award

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oh the award nobody wants to win also

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winners of skeptic of the year life

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memberships and the Fred thorne at award

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who's going to win who has won if you

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don't know find out at the end of the

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show don't forget people in Sydney who I

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couldn't make it to the convention you

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can see Michael Marshall this Tuesday

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night add a special skeptics in the pub

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head to meetup com /a ust skeptics aust

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skeptics for more information and better

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book quickly that's guaranteed to be a

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really big night I think we'll get a lot

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of people coming to that this tuesday

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the 29th of november sydney people

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please come along and join me and

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Michael Marshall and all sorts of other

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people and who knows you may even end up

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being interviewed by may not more

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information at the end of the show but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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who lie in the stairs

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for some something I don't have often

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he's around ticket so miles hello how

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are you doing I'm doing more fantasy so

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very good it's been a year to the day

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only a year to the day so when we first

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so i'm here with miles power who's a

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that's kept you can't yeah can you tell

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us what you spoke about yes so i was

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giving a snippet of a talk that i'm

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giving called will GMOs kill us all she

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cornerstones of the anti-gmo movement

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the scientists and and the big the big

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just using clear English and just saying

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hey this is what it actually says show

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that actually they're rubbish yet so I

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kill you this but anyone who says just

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of people don't know that that grow

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definition of what GMO is so it is an

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like breeding even though you are

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this stuff and it's it's daft okay now

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all of this is related to your YouTube

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channel in some sense yeah so can you

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tell us about yes so i started youtube

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channel almost six years ago now about I

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quite polite and nice because YouTube is

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nice guy that was like no that's kind of

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wrong this is why so I kind of naturally

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gravitated towards GMOs because there

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there's so much rubbish out there and

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cancer having eyes on the links with

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GMOs and leukemia and then you like oh

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from it's so prevalent out there but I

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idea these things are inherently bad and

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black south and I'm working on another

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will cause your whatever you put it on

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to die and it will fall off and there's

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this whole movement online trying to

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pass this stuff offers the amazing

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cancer cure that this stuff will some

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have soft cancer from out your body it

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won't it will just leave holes in you

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and there's also which is quite nasty as

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they promote self diagnosis so a lot of

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people with just the odd bumps and what

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have you I just put in them putting this

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stuff on them and then when it falls off

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like that was cancer because the idea is

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that if you if you put it on unit burns

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you it only burns cancer that's not the

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case it's going to burn everything the

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other one I'm working on is mms which is

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miracle mineral solution or miracle

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minerals or bleach Oh bleach yeah it's a

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yeah yeah so it is a bleach I've had so

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many people in the comment section

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YouTube saying like it's not a bleach

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learn some chemistry I'm the chemist I

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do this professionally I've been doing

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this for over a decade it's a bleach

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love yeah so this is a pretty nasty day

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they make this bleach in situ and then

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they drink it made claim that it can

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kill all sorts the guy Jim Humble who

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promoted it and what who started to the

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evening malaria tunnel uh uh I see

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what's probably motives are people as a

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Church's yet genesis too isn't it

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something like mazing yet it's a bit odd

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you got I've got I've just got a book

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from I think it's a thing it's for it

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provides him some for with some legal

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protection in certain countries making

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it so that that's why he does it yeah

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well I've just got his book before I

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came here actually said they'd sit home

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on my desk and I can't wait to read it

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because I just know it's going to be

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terrible but yeah so there you promote

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that as a way of curing everything it's

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panthea this bleach in reality same as

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I'm a mess it will just burn you burn

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whatever it touches not to the extreme

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of M&MS but still pretty nasty stuff

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this move like stop yeah I'm sorry black

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South yeah and what's really awful as

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well is that they are promoting this as

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a autism cure and obviously these very

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autistic children don't drink something

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that's fizzing and smelling disgusting

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and producing a lot of flammable gas and

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so they recommend animals of this stuff

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and it says exactly as horrific as it

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sounds the kids get these animals the

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stuff burns their insides and then

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pass the lining of their intestines and

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the parents are told that this is

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actually parasites coming out their

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children and it goes on and on and it's

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really off on me I did a podcast on the

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League of nerds sorry shameless plug and

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which we had a chat thing called Jeff

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and we talked about this and he's worked

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with autistic children in the past me he

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he never said it but it was almost

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hinting that he's had some dealings with

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in the past and he said that a lot of

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the stories that he was hearing was that

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these children who are autistic will

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suddenly was taking a mms like show like

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slight progress i'm almost but it wasn't

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it was the horrific nurse of it that the

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pain of it everything was just pushing

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and ceiling like they were going

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basically through the haze and

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verbalizing their their distress and

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then going back it into where there were

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before and it's really awful because

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these parents were nothing better than

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you know to help their kids out and

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these parasites these mms pushes are

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just latching on to that it's all so

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sorry for being miserable I know yet but

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when we deal with quacks it's sometimes

359
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miserable that's the way it is so miles

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oh where can people find out more about

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what you do alright so if you're a fine

362
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you I've got a website Mars powder coat

363
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at UK or mon youtube just search my name

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or my youtube now about my youtube is

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param 1985 I can't change that so well I

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can actually I've been told I can change

367
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it but now I've got so used to people

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use all time that if I were to change it

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they wouldn't find me but yeah check me

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out if you think I'm interesting i'm not

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really i'm really boring so sorry i

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don't think that thank you very much

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's science channel its brouhaha

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with tenure Meyer have you seen the new

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contender for your science bucket lists

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China just built a freaking massive

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radio telescope it's civil engineering

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latest claim to fame not just for its

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size but for its ability to keep

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tracking a signal even as the Earth

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rotates but wait there's more and it's

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fun for the whole family while the

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telescope's searching for alien radio

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signals you can watch the giant dish

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from the mountaintop observation deck

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hang out at the theme park essential to

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all radio telescopes of course stay

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overnight in the Astronomy themed hotel

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and even take home a souvenir maybe a

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t-shirt saying i went to china and all I

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ate was this dish or maybe just a

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postcard as electronic gadgets aren't

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allowed even in flight mode so what else

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is on your science bucket list soon the

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Northern Lights Kennedy Space Center

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Yellowstone National Park Tatooine Deep

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Space nine the Death Star Mars mortal

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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here's my not spooky action at a

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I'm in the foyer of the seymour centre

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which tonight is host to think inc vent

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I evening with at Lisa Randall at the

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moment I it's unheard of I'm early

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there's no sign of Richard Saunders

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Richard Saunders is actually late

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probably by those crazy bars where he

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was all night last night he's probably

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still around there somewhere right now

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but we're going to be taken by guide to

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a special area of the seymour centre

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fairly shortly where we will meet dr.

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Lisa Randall now I'm gonna be asking

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some questions about cosmology I'm going

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to ask me a few questions about the

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meaning of the universe I'm going to be

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asking why is there a hemispherical type

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object on the poles of both neptune and

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saturn stuff like that pretty important

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stuff should you kiss on a first date

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that's sort of stuff who we got here I'm

422
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sick Nadine it's good to see he once

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again I like people to recognize your

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voice and then now why are you belong

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here because it's astrophysics sure

426
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thing what's your exciting thing about

427
00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:17,000
science anyway what's your area you love

428
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all of them okay Oh them basically so

429
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any science thing I'm

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you probably see me there any science

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writing thing any science festival

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marine biology sure I love marine

433
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biology okay cryptology sure I don't

434
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know that much about crab told you but I

435
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would be interested in it archaeology oh

436
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yeah Wow okay oh definitely you can just

437
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keep throwing scientific areas at me but

438
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because my job also involves about

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writing around large just different

440
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areas it's it's all of it basically I've

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written about mathematics have written

442
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about space have rested about biology

443
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conservation energy so you just have to

444
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be across all of it when you're a

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scientist I know it's a bit like but

446
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it's kind of like being the sports

447
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editor but then again yeah Oh Venice

448
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boards at it no no look who who can't

449
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sports I say ah now can you understand

450
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the formula that her name is attached to

451
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the one that influences gravity haven't

452
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looked into that actually but it sounds

453
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like she's done a lot of really

454
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interesting astrophysics work and I'm

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mostly interested also in her latest

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book called dark matter and dinosaurs I

457
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haven't read it yet I haven't picked it

458
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up yet but I'm hoping to get a copy

459
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sanaya there's a bit puzzled by that cuz

460
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I thought why pick dark matter you might

461
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as well just say hydrogen caused it why

462
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is that because well there's lots of

463
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dark matter in the universe has lots of

464
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hydrogen why not make hydrogen the comp

465
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the culprit yeah but there's more dark

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matter than hydrogen get it really yes

467
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because I think dr. Hodges number one I

468
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saw it on the periodic table yeah but

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that's what this stuff we can see in the

470
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subway can see is only like five percent

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of everything else the dark matter is by

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far

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abundant thing out there once again

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you're correct my turn my tiny eight

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brain has not been thinking hard enough

476
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no i think you're being too hard on

477
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yourself what are you looking forward to

478
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Lisa talking about on stage to know well

479
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given like the topic of her book I'm

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looking forward to the connections

481
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between all the different branches of

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science that she's interested I mean

483
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she's an astrophysicist but I'm finding

484
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the patterns and finding the the bigger

485
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picture about how all the different

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things fit together and the and the gaps

487
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in our knowledge like dark matter and

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dark energy that's what I'm really

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interested in is seeing the whole lay of

490
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the land how everything fits together

491
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and what are the uncharted territories

492
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we might be able to learn some more

493
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about and tonight she's actually the

494
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subject of a sleep deprivation

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experiment as well so we'll hope for the

496
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best yeah sounds like it but I think

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that's the last event so then she'll be

498
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off the hook and she can enjoy a strange

499
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it off down the cross obviously all

500
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right I should be disappointed us will

501
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be shot I'm talking about dr. Lisa

502
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Randall and I believe you're very tired

503
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are you just off the plane are you I'm

504
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not just off the plane but I've been

505
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taking many planes since I've been here

506
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I'm a little tired have you got any

507
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advice to someone with many degrees as

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to how the rest of us can somehow avoid

509
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jet lag nope I think I think I'm

510
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sleeping a lot it's a good idea you know

511
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I can hoping you get some today what

512
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sort of questions you've been getting

513
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people either been talking about your

514
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Dark Matter dinosaur connection up there

515
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yeah a lot of people want to know about

516
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dark matter about all the research that

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I do in fact

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and is it difficult when you're doing a

519
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presentation such as this that's so

520
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technical when you're so tired doing

521
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Mike slip up with something is that make

522
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you extra nervous so you just power

523
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through makes me tired the remind you of

524
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your days when you had to sit for exams

525
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and just keep staying no a different no

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I mean yeah I know it's a good and it's

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fun to see the enthusiasm in the

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audience so that's good mm-hmm and get

529
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what do you think of the attitude

530
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towards women in science in Australia is

531
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it any different to what you could you

532
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talk about that in America isn't even

533
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hard to say i mean i've seen some

534
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wonderful women scientists here that's

535
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all i can say so I don't really know it

536
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seems like people are enthusiastic to

537
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see us here but you know I'm here to

538
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talk about science and people want to

539
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you're entering through doors four and

540
00:22:41,420 --> 00:22:36,300
five thank you very much day blasphemy

541
00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:41,430
ultimately time cold drinks ah oh well

542
00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:43,260
as I predicted earlier Richard Saunders

543
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:45,660
was late so man you you missed the whole

544
00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:48,450
thing I was late because I was coming on

545
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:50,430
a train and then I had to drive the car

546
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:52,170
you know sydney's like that man up there

547
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:55,110
was free cheese you missed the free

548
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:59,460
cheese I missed free cheese as free

549
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:01,020
cheese and wasn't even a wheel it was

550
00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:02,460
like cut up like really nice and it

551
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:04,560
wasn't even from aldi or anything you

552
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:06,450
mean it was better than aldi cheddar

553
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,810
okay look I've got losing that look like

554
00:23:14,530 --> 00:23:11,940
we're currently inside here and it's a

555
00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:14,540
the the mood to be described as

556
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:17,040
intellectual I think that's a very good

557
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,320
description the other Hall is slowly

558
00:23:23,150 --> 00:23:21,120
filling up lots of people milling around

559
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:23,160
and looks like we're in for an

560
00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:27,960
interesting evening so without I think

561
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:30,180
it's time to welcome professor Randall

562
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:32,520
on stage I think I need some help from

563
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:35,130
you guys to do this quick please have a

564
00:23:49,870 --> 00:23:47,590
the lights dimmed and dr. tamara davis

565
00:23:53,530 --> 00:23:49,880
was our host for a delightful couple of

566
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:53,540
hours with dr. Lisa Randall cosmology

567
00:23:59,560 --> 00:23:57,890
Dark Matter dark energy the Big Bang the

568
00:24:01,690 --> 00:23:59,570
speed of light all these wonderful

569
00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:01,700
things were covered followed by some

570
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:03,830
really interesting questions from the

571
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:06,650
floor people of all ages after the event

572
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:08,210
may not caught up with some of the

573
00:24:17,230 --> 00:24:15,830
people who are in the ordinance poor

574
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:17,240
people are streaming out now after a

575
00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:19,460
fairly exciting pitov science there but

576
00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:20,600
someone who should be doubly exciting

577
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,950
because they got a free ticket here you

578
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:24,320
a winner in the world of the skeptic

579
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,910
zone who are you and how did you win and

580
00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:27,440
what the hell did you win anyway hello

581
00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:28,700
I'm William broom I've been with

582
00:24:32,020 --> 00:24:30,350
Australian skeptics and skeptics in the

583
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:32,030
pub for a while now and I hadn't been to

584
00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:34,250
a meeting for about six or seven years I

585
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:36,200
saw Richard in a supermarket in Waterloo

586
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,050
aldi bit of advertising and in the dairy

587
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:40,640
section or he's a bit of a ham man

588
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,550
really um he's often seen look when he

589
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:45,200
gets over to what's that bloody place

590
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:47,330
you go to costco when he gets the costco

591
00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:49,850
he buys a giant salmon the size of a

592
00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:51,950
debt ssin and takes at home so what was

593
00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:53,660
he up to in the fridge here he was there

594
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,660
just for the halibut time and a place

595
00:25:00,460 --> 00:24:58,880
but anyway yeah so I saw it makes it

596
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:00,470
come along to skeptics in the pub so I

597
00:25:04,690 --> 00:25:02,450
think a week later I came along it was a

598
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:04,700
new venue it used to be around gold

599
00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:06,710
street so it was further down me winded

600
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:09,830
came along there was a raffle I won the

601
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,520
raffle hey now so I came today and I

602
00:25:16,990 --> 00:25:14,960
thought it was fascinating I know

603
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:17,000
nothing about physics yeah the what was

604
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:19,070
it thing you learn today I learned about

605
00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:21,650
the the potential dark plane around the

606
00:25:25,870 --> 00:25:24,470
galaxy cool dark matter I think that's

607
00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:25,880
the word don't ask me what it is now I

608
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:27,020
probably couldn't tell you but you're

609
00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:28,310
gonna remember whenever people say dark

610
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:30,470
matter you go well it's it's very badly

611
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:32,570
title it should be called transparent

612
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:35,450
matter absolutely but what Lisa Randall

613
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:37,010
dr. Lisa Randall does she talks in

614
00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:39,170
layman's terms so she makes it

615
00:25:42,430 --> 00:25:40,790
accessible for people like myself who

616
00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:42,440
are not scientists you can talk to me

617
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,020
forever about sidekicks etc but you get

618
00:25:48,989 --> 00:25:46,880
me on astrophysics or anything like that

619
00:25:50,909 --> 00:25:48,999
and it like goes way over my

620
00:25:52,889 --> 00:25:50,919
but come to like something like this

621
00:25:55,589 --> 00:25:52,899
it's actually very accessible and it

622
00:25:57,059 --> 00:25:55,599
they make it easier to understand but

623
00:25:59,069 --> 00:25:57,069
what I really loved was the questions

624
00:26:01,679 --> 00:25:59,079
well my favorite was one that stumped

625
00:26:03,749 --> 00:26:01,689
her a student probably a high school

626
00:26:05,789 --> 00:26:03,759
student she asked her about the physics

627
00:26:07,769 --> 00:26:05,799
of ant-man and she couldn't answer it

628
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:07,779
because she didn't see the movie which I

629
00:26:13,109 --> 00:26:10,569
think's a in her biological and

630
00:26:15,809 --> 00:26:13,119
the intellectual armor that's what I

631
00:26:17,729 --> 00:26:15,819
love that is one of a lack of popular

632
00:26:20,219 --> 00:26:17,739
culture the questions that's the

633
00:26:22,349 --> 00:26:20,229
highlight for me for diversity or the

634
00:26:23,819 --> 00:26:22,359
variety and the color of the questions

635
00:26:25,379 --> 00:26:23,829
and i think it was quite a diverse

636
00:26:27,779 --> 00:26:25,389
audience and i think that's what you

637
00:26:30,389 --> 00:26:27,789
need at things like this it adds that

638
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:30,399
extra energy that does cool so i guess

639
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:31,809
we can see the next skeptics of the pub

640
00:26:37,829 --> 00:26:35,679
then i shall be there ebuddy Emma's

641
00:26:39,659 --> 00:26:37,839
first off in the questions for dr.

642
00:26:41,399 --> 00:26:39,669
Randall and you got offered one of those

643
00:26:42,989 --> 00:26:41,409
silly philosophical bloody things you

644
00:26:45,719 --> 00:26:42,999
didn't ask anything scientifical they

645
00:26:48,089 --> 00:26:45,729
are an engineer you asked about does the

646
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:48,099
fact that the arrow of time goes forward

647
00:26:53,609 --> 00:26:49,809
whether that has anything to do it free

648
00:26:55,259 --> 00:26:53,619
will yes indeed well a physicist claim

649
00:26:57,299 --> 00:26:55,269
to know how the whole universe works at

650
00:26:59,339 --> 00:26:57,309
a fundamental level so they should be

651
00:27:01,469 --> 00:26:59,349
able to ask you answer any question I

652
00:27:03,749 --> 00:27:01,479
believe well I think the hologram theory

653
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:03,759
says is to us that probably the instead

654
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:05,769
of us actually creating the future the

655
00:27:09,629 --> 00:27:08,049
future dictates the past that that's

656
00:27:11,789 --> 00:27:09,639
what I actually think I think that

657
00:27:13,439 --> 00:27:11,799
because it creates the past the future

658
00:27:16,979 --> 00:27:13,449
dictates the past because it's already

659
00:27:19,649 --> 00:27:16,989
there so of course we are actually have

660
00:27:21,929 --> 00:27:19,659
to conform to it not vice versa it's

661
00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:21,939
quite interesting that's a that's a

662
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:24,789
possible view of the universe being a

663
00:27:31,589 --> 00:27:27,849
bag of events and each event has a label

664
00:27:33,329 --> 00:27:31,599
XYZ and T hmm a four-vector exact so

665
00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:33,339
yeah no no one to say which one came

666
00:27:39,749 --> 00:27:37,599
first each event exists or existed you

667
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,759
didn't even need tenses in the English

668
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:41,919
language anymore you to seat each event

669
00:27:48,509 --> 00:27:45,369
exists little own Latin well the

670
00:27:50,579 --> 00:27:48,519
coalition I look and I say what one of

671
00:27:53,639 --> 00:27:50,589
the people that got short shrift in the

672
00:27:55,769 --> 00:27:53,649
talk and it's not a criticism is it um a

673
00:27:56,879 --> 00:27:55,779
lot of the vehicles theoretical stuff

674
00:28:00,130 --> 00:27:56,889
and things that they're working on their

675
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:00,140
requires the unsung heroine

676
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:01,970
and heroes of science and that is

677
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:04,010
engineers people that can build the

678
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:06,430
equipment to prove the experiments

679
00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:08,870
exactly yes the and they didn't get a

680
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,550
mention they didn't get a word in beside

681
00:28:14,290 --> 00:28:12,320
us get all the credit but the engineers

682
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:14,300
usually make the apparatus yes that's

683
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:15,770
what is that's exactly what i was

684
00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:18,020
thinking and of course you know and they

685
00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:19,670
are always booked often than men but of

686
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:20,990
course more and more they should be

687
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:22,580
women engineers out there I reckon I

688
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,530
should've got a mention indeed yes that

689
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:26,480
would be a good thing cookies I know but

690
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,070
you have to talk to dr. Lisa here and

691
00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:29,840
dr. Randall hearing you a huge fan

692
00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:30,860
what's your name and what are you

693
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,260
studying my name's Siobhan and I just

694
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:35,840
visit finish my physics degree at Anu in

695
00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:39,170
Canberra high distinction I don't know

696
00:28:42,670 --> 00:28:41,540
yet results oh it's at nervous time

697
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:42,680
where you don't find out for a while

698
00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:44,210
there so what was it like actually going

699
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:46,460
to ask her a question yeah it's pretty

700
00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:48,470
great I mean I've admired her from afar

701
00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:50,630
for many years so to actually be in the

702
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:52,700
same room as her it's quite cool okay

703
00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:54,470
cool and you got another chance you're

704
00:28:59,020 --> 00:28:55,820
going to ask us something again no

705
00:29:02,020 --> 00:28:59,030
probably not she's very been a long

706
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:02,030
night already for thank you I look just

707
00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:03,590
on one note here I'm incredibly

708
00:29:07,630 --> 00:29:04,700
disappointed that there was not one

709
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,640
mention of Planck time the entire night

710
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,200
we had almost an hour and a half of

711
00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:11,120
theoretical physics there and the phrase

712
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:13,560
Planck time was not mentioned

713
00:29:31,299 --> 00:29:15,510
so disappointed cuz I still don't know

714
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:34,159
the skeptic magazine the journal from

715
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:37,289
Australian skeptics subscribe online to

716
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:39,510
the world's second oldest skeptical

717
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,820
magazine visit w WC OMG you and click

718
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:47,580
the publication's league you can also

719
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:51,539
find their over 30 years on back issues

720
00:30:13,320 --> 00:29:54,870
free to download the skeptic magazine

721
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:15,840
another look at the mind-body wallet

722
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:19,150
festival this time from 1998 from the

723
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:21,310
skeptic magazine the Australian skeptics

724
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:25,870
journal vol 18 number to a report by

725
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:30,310
Trevor case festival of the wallet if

726
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:32,380
you think that belief in the paranormal

727
00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:35,760
pseudoscience etc is not widespread

728
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:38,740
suspend your judgment and Lee attend a

729
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:42,400
mind body and spirit festival on May the

730
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,110
second three members of the New South

731
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:46,240
Wales Committee Richard lead Linda Brown

732
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:49,090
and I went to one such festival at

733
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,360
darling harbour our conclusion belief in

734
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:54,880
the paranormal pseudoscience and the

735
00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:57,570
supernatural is alive and kicking

736
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:00,130
despite the miserable weather and the

737
00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:02,350
pundits turned out in droves to attend

738
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:05,800
this mecca of promised enlightenment how

739
00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:08,290
much did it cost to enter the world of

740
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:10,060
the enlightened and to mingle with

741
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,860
self-styled gurus a token $12 well that

742
00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:16,840
got you through the door anyway to buy

743
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:19,420
merchandise or ten courses the cost was

744
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:22,510
considerably greater once inside the

745
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:25,210
aroma burning incense the sound of

746
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:28,720
synthesized dolphin squeals set the

747
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:31,450
stage check your critical faculties at

748
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:33,490
the door there's no place for the

749
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:35,560
limited world of rationality of this

750
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:38,260
exhibition open your mind open your

751
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:41,710
heart most of all open your wallet there

752
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:44,530
were over 200 exhibits in all so

753
00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:46,660
ambitiously we decided to divide and

754
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:49,240
conquer now we have all seen magic

755
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:51,430
happens bumper stickers and twenty

756
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:53,380
dollar tarot card readings at local

757
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:55,630
shopping centres but in this time of

758
00:31:59,940 --> 00:31:57,700
unparalleled scientific and

759
00:32:01,980 --> 00:31:59,950
technological advances are people

760
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:01,990
willing to swallow any ridiculous claim

761
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:04,810
moreover is there really any money to be

762
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:07,300
made in peddling poppycock from our

763
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:09,820
observations at the mind-body-spirit

764
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:11,530
festival the answer to these questions

765
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:15,730
is an unqualified yes most of the

766
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:18,070
exhibits were inundated with people who

767
00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:20,170
were ready and willing to part with cash

768
00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:23,140
for merchandise in fact the exhibition

769
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:25,390
center was so crowded at one point it

770
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:27,010
became impossible to move in

771
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:29,350
any direction throughout the day people

772
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:31,960
were queuing up to pay thirty dollars

773
00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:34,390
for a half hour reading from any one of

774
00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:38,260
approximately forty psychics there were

775
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:41,800
iridology consultants or reading Reiki

776
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:43,690
treatments and exhibitions on the

777
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:46,650
therapeutic crystals Kirlian photography

778
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:50,410
holistic dental treatment and angels to

779
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,260
list but a few we managed to speak with

780
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:54,880
some of the exhibitors about the

781
00:33:00,720 --> 00:32:56,620
products and services they were offering

782
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:00,730
and one exhibition on holistic dental

783
00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:03,580
treatment it was claimed that teeth are

784
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:05,920
related to different parts of the body

785
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:08,590
and via acupuncture meridians I

786
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:11,260
indicated my surprise and asked if there

787
00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:13,210
was any scientific evidence to support

788
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:16,180
this claim I was told of a study

789
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:19,390
appearing in a non refereed journal in

790
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:21,820
which a tooth was removed from human

791
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:24,850
patient who suffered a cardiac disease

792
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,850
and implanted in a rabbit apparently the

793
00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:30,640
rabbit consequently developed cardiac

794
00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:33,220
disease I wonder where they implanted

795
00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:36,520
the tooth the exhibitor volunteered to

796
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:39,280
send me a copy of the paper and another

797
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:41,650
exhibit people were buying small purple

798
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:43,410
plates for thirty-five dollars each

799
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:45,730
exhibitor claimed these plates were made

800
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:48,730
from aluminium and that the atoms of the

801
00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:50,890
aluminium had been altered so that the

802
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:55,030
device is in tune or in harmony with the

803
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,820
energy of the universe you want to form

804
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:00,640
for this quote positive energy plate and

805
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:02,950
quote promises that the energy can be

806
00:34:08,909 --> 00:34:06,760
felt quote by many sensitive people end

807
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:08,919
quote a similar product is claimed to

808
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,649
increase the fuel efficiency of your car

809
00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:14,560
and ranges in price from 75 to two

810
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hundred dollars depending on the size of

811
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:20,050
your car is there anything these magic

812
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,780
plates cannot do we also engage the

813
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:24,159
people at the neuro linguistic

814
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:27,070
programming exhibit in an argument about

815
00:34:32,669 --> 00:34:29,620
the lack of empirical basis for their

816
00:34:34,619 --> 00:34:32,679
claims in response I was told to imagine

817
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,629
my favorite color I still cannot

818
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:36,639
determine how this exercise had a

819
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:39,310
bearing on the argument perhaps I would

820
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:40,899
need to pay the

821
00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:43,089
two thousand one hundred and forty

822
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,750
dollars neuro-linguistic programming

823
00:34:51,539 --> 00:34:48,639
practitioner training fee to find out

824
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,549
the highlight of our journey into fast

825
00:34:57,029 --> 00:34:54,399
buck supermarket style enlightenment was

826
00:34:59,849 --> 00:34:57,039
our visit to the Infinity empowered

827
00:35:02,010 --> 00:34:59,859
water exhibit in the words of our subtle

828
00:35:06,029 --> 00:35:02,020
and widely spoken treasurer Richard led

829
00:35:08,299 --> 00:35:06,039
quote wait till they feel 125 kilograms

830
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:08,309
of lead coming down on the men quote

831
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:11,529
Richard approached the infinite exhibit

832
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:14,230
declaring quote this has been debunked

833
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,180
on national television so what are you

834
00:35:21,269 --> 00:35:18,640
doing here then quote the staff may have

835
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:21,279
been confused at first because Richard

836
00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:24,190
was cleverly disguised unlike his recent

837
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:25,750
appearance on Channel Seven's Today

838
00:35:31,319 --> 00:35:27,730
Tonight program which exposed the

839
00:35:34,529 --> 00:35:31,329
infinite empowered water scam this time

840
00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:34,539
Richard was fully clothed however it was

841
00:35:38,789 --> 00:35:36,760
not long before a young girl working at

842
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:38,799
the exhibit saw through Richards clever

843
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:42,010
stratagem perhaps she undressed him with

844
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:45,130
her eyes quote he's one of those

845
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:48,190
skeptics and quote she cried Richards

846
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:50,950
cover had been blown another infinity

847
00:35:55,789 --> 00:35:53,650
associate confidently asserted quote we

848
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:55,799
know all about the skeptics end quote

849
00:36:01,019 --> 00:35:58,420
the crowd that had gathered and all the

850
00:36:03,569 --> 00:36:01,029
excitement began to disperse after all

851
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:03,579
he was just one of those noisy cynical

852
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:06,150
skeptics trying to ruin everyone's fun

853
00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:09,130
it was all over as usual these

854
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:11,109
charlatans and the hucksters preyed on

855
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:13,210
wishful thinking and poor judgement and

856
00:36:18,569 --> 00:36:16,569
came out the victors after a long day of

857
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:18,579
persistent skepticism in the face of

858
00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:21,490
truckloads of piffle we decided to

859
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:23,559
repair to the comforts of a nearby pub

860
00:36:29,069 --> 00:36:25,510
and trade stories of our experiences

861
00:36:31,799 --> 00:36:29,079
over a few cleansing ales non holistic

862
00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:31,809
and that was festival of the wallet by

863
00:36:37,019 --> 00:36:35,140
Trevor case from volume 18 number two of

864
00:36:39,089 --> 00:36:37,029
the skeptic magazine the journal from

865
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:39,099
Australian skeptics and you can read

866
00:37:01,839 --> 00:36:41,940
that and many other reports by visiting

867
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,430
how much truth is there to claims of

868
00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:06,420
risk caused by the treatment of beef

869
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:08,790
cattle with antibiotics I'm Tamra

870
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:10,619
Robertson and you're hooked up to the

871
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,560
feeding to the feeding tube is the web

872
00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:18,720
video series that brings you the real

873
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:21,840
facts behind popular food myths food

874
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,300
whoo is the most pervasive pop

875
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:26,640
pseudoscience out there right now and it

876
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:29,160
desperately needs debunking each three

877
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:31,140
minute episode is suitable for general

878
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:33,930
audience and is produced by scientists

879
00:38:00,560 --> 00:37:37,050
for everyone the feeding tube check it

880
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:00,570
out feeding tube TV over this current

881
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,520
weekend the Australian skeptics have

882
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:05,280
their national convention a national

883
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:07,130
conference their national get together

884
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:10,770
the annual get-together in Melbourne and

885
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:13,530
here is the press release from the

886
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,710
awards that were given on the Saturday

887
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:20,160
night gala dinner Australian skeptics

888
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:24,839
Awards politicians complainers and dodgy

889
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,140
doctorates celebrity winners of the 2016

890
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,780
awards from Australian skeptics include

891
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:32,820
a victorian government minister a

892
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:36,060
melbourne académica serial complainer

893
00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:38,940
and a controversial anti-vaccination

894
00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:42,270
'used and her Australian University the

895
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:44,060
awards were made at a formal dinner on

896
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,980
November the 26th for the skeptics

897
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:49,200
annual convention which was held in

898
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,810
Melbourne Thor net award for the

899
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:54,720
promotion of reason the Victorian Health

900
00:39:00,020 --> 00:38:57,570
Minister Jill Hennessy has been awarded

901
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:00,030
the skeptics thor net award for the

902
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:03,390
promotion of reason it commemorates fred

903
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,570
bonnet a tasmanian skeptic who died in

904
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:09,839
2009 this award acknowledges a member of

905
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:10,190
the

906
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:12,430
or a public figure who has made a

907
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:15,350
significant contribution to educating or

908
00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:17,870
informing the public regarding issues of

909
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:20,780
science and reason quote as every public

910
00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:23,060
figure knows especially those in more

911
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:25,580
heated arenas hate mail and vicious

912
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:27,770
trolling on social media are part of the

913
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:29,750
job and quote said Iran sir give

914
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:31,940
president of Australian skeptic zinc

915
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:34,580
quote death threats and promises of

916
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:36,890
violence are another matter miss

917
00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:39,230
hennesey has received all of those and

918
00:39:45,610 --> 00:39:42,460
courageously faced down those who

919
00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:45,620
misrepresented and mislead the public in

920
00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:47,660
their promotion of dodgy medical claims

921
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:49,460
and practices in this case

922
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:51,730
anti-vaccination ax stand rogue

923
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,740
chiropractors she was as forthright in

924
00:40:00,010 --> 00:39:57,200
her public criticism of claims that are

925
00:40:02,830 --> 00:40:00,020
not supported by science and in the case

926
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:02,840
of chiropractors ignore the directives

927
00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:05,960
of their own professional bodies she

928
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:08,030
also went public and revealing the mail

929
00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:11,090
she received usually anomalously from

930
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:14,660
those who disagree with her disagree so

931
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:16,970
much as to threaten violence and even

932
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:19,130
death for daring to point to their

933
00:40:24,970 --> 00:40:21,380
errors and misleading statements and

934
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:24,980
quote skeptic of the year another

935
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:27,050
positive award from the skeptics is

936
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,290
skeptic of the year given to those in

937
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:32,960
the skeptical communities whose efforts

938
00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:35,630
go above and beyond what can be

939
00:40:40,810 --> 00:40:38,060
reasonably expected of committed

940
00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:40,820
campaigners quote this year the award

941
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:43,340
was issued jointly to dr. ken harvey and

942
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:46,190
mal vickers for their continued and

943
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:48,650
highly effective work in exposing claims

944
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:50,990
and practices of chiropractors that

945
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:53,510
mislead and misrepresent the benefits of

946
00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:56,810
their activities and can be dangerous to

947
00:41:01,150 --> 00:40:58,730
members of the public and quoted Ron so

948
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:01,160
you have said dr. Harvey is adjunct

949
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:02,870
associate professor at the school of

950
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,330
public health and preventive medicine at

951
00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:08,000
Monash University and one of Australia's

952
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,830
leading campaigners against non

953
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:12,560
science-based medicines and a critic of

954
00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:15,110
pharmaceutical marketing he has been

955
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,350
described by the age newspaper as an

956
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:21,680
quote Andy quackery Crusader in quote

957
00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:23,990
and by choice magazine as a

958
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:26,780
quote serial complainer unquote mr.

959
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:28,550
Vickers is a longtime member of the

960
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:31,190
Victorian skeptics and an indefatigable

961
00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:34,430
net surfer who exposed hundreds of

962
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:36,280
websites of chiropractors who made

963
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:39,160
unsubstantiated claims online quote

964
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:42,530
Harvey and Vickers also exposed the

965
00:41:48,609 --> 00:41:45,950
inadequacies of the professional bodies

966
00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:48,619
that supposedly oversee these

967
00:41:53,859 --> 00:41:51,230
practitioners ignoring misleading claims

968
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,869
and damaging activities and thus

969
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:56,240
indirectly ignoring the protection of

970
00:42:01,090 --> 00:41:58,610
the public when quote together said

971
00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:01,100
quote no more though thanks to the

972
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:03,800
efforts of harvin Vickers their work

973
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:06,260
continues input now the strong

974
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:08,540
contenders for skeptic of the year were

975
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:12,080
Ken MacLeod and Peter T&E both past

976
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:14,060
winners of the award who have also

977
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:15,830
campaigned against anti-vaccination

978
00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:19,280
nurses and the eventual winner of this

979
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:24,080
here's a bent spoon bent spoon award on

980
00:42:29,470 --> 00:42:26,690
that topic the less than positive bent

981
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:29,480
spoon is awarded to the perpetrator of

982
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:31,250
the most preposterous piece of

983
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:33,950
pseudo-scientific or paranormal piffle

984
00:42:38,859 --> 00:42:36,260
and over the year and is one of the

985
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:38,869
least desirable prizes in the country

986
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:41,660
past winners have included Pete paleo

987
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:44,900
Evans the CSIRO's new head Larry

988
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:48,230
Marshall the ABC the pharmacy Gill of

989
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:51,380
Australia and a psychic dentist this

990
00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:53,420
year's recipients are anti-vaccination

991
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:56,150
'used Julie why Lehman her academic

992
00:43:01,599 --> 00:42:59,210
advisor Brian Martin and the social

993
00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:01,609
sciences department of the University of

994
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:03,980
Wollongong for awarding her doctorate on

995
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:08,240
the basis of quote a PhD thesis riddled

996
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:11,660
with errors miss statements poor and

997
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:14,590
unsupported quote evidence in quit and

998
00:43:20,050 --> 00:43:17,810
conspiratorial thinking men quote quote

999
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:20,060
why Lehman continues to defend her

1000
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:23,390
degree with endless diatribes to all and

1001
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:26,090
sundry her University went into defense

1002
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,490
mode with a pathetic quote free speech

1003
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:31,760
and quote argument which means free to

1004
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:35,290
present rubbish and be rewarded for it

1005
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:37,550
many within the universities

1006
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:40,550
own staff those who actually know what

1007
00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:42,680
they are talking about came out to

1008
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:45,140
criticize their own institution a bad

1009
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:47,710
move by a respected institution an

1010
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:50,870
expected move by a noted anti-science

1011
00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:53,510
and anti-vaccination zealot and quote

1012
00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:56,870
this honorable mention goes to the ABCs

1013
00:44:02,440 --> 00:43:59,630
now-defunct catalyst program and former

1014
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,450
reporter dr. Mary and Maisy for an

1015
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:04,880
inaccurate and alarmist one-sided

1016
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:07,580
unscientific report on supposed brain

1017
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:10,010
damage from Wi-Fi technology and for

1018
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,240
being a repeat offender in that respect

1019
00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:16,640
life membership life membership of

1020
00:44:21,070 --> 00:44:18,500
Australian skeptics Inc was conferred on

1021
00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:21,080
past skeptic of the year Loretta Marin

1022
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:23,540
as well as tireless behind-the-scenes

1023
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:26,210
workers Margaret kitson Queensland

1024
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:29,210
skeptics John Turner and Kevin Macdonald

1025
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:32,090
both hunter skeptics and now here is a

1026
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:34,730
recording of the president of Australian

1027
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,530
skeptics and skeptics and reporter Iran

1028
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:38,720
say give announcing the winner of the

1029
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:47,270
bent spoon award so the first award for

1030
00:44:59,800 --> 00:44:55,990
this is against Pune War II took Oh

1031
00:45:03,580 --> 00:44:59,810
together to bend the spoon but then Tim

1032
00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:03,590
broke it it is actually broken but we'll

1033
00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:07,340
fix it I don't the bent spoon is awarded

1034
00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:09,080
annually to the perpetrator of the most

1035
00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:11,180
preposterous piece of paranormal or

1036
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:14,750
scientific people this year's grand

1037
00:45:18,610 --> 00:45:17,540
spoon actually before I speak about this

1038
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:18,620
year's thanks but i just want to mention

1039
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:21,260
and give a dishonorable mention to

1040
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:22,790
somebody who people in the bent spoon

1041
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:26,570
and that is a catalyst ABC catalyst and

1042
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:30,040
specifically specifically reporter

1043
00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:34,250
merienda messy um I know she has some

1044
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:37,070
friends in the audience here but she's

1045
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:40,030
screwed up royally more than once and

1046
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:42,680
she could easily have won the award this

1047
00:45:48,430 --> 00:45:46,160
year however this year's this year's

1048
00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:48,440
been spoon is awarded jointly to an

1049
00:45:53,170 --> 00:45:50,630
individual was worked Isley tell

1050
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:53,180
tirelessly for years to become one of

1051
00:45:58,810 --> 00:45:55,130
Australia's leading public health

1052
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,820
menaces a person was a person was aided

1053
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:01,040
and abetted her and the organization who

1054
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:07,910
facilitated them Jimmy Whelan is a

1055
00:46:13,390 --> 00:46:10,510
dedicated and aggressive aunty back from

1056
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:13,400
she has been promoting her views often

1057
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:16,940
in particularly vile ways for years last

1058
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:18,590
year she was awarded a PhD from the

1059
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,970
University from the Faculty of Social

1060
00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:22,140
Sciences for reversed

1061
00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:25,360
the topic of the thesis was a critical

1062
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:26,980
analysis of the Australian Government's

1063
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:29,500
rationale for its vaccination policy and

1064
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:32,260
as expected it concluded that the

1065
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:34,540
government policy of promoting vaccines

1066
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:39,880
is flawed also as expected the thesis is

1067
00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:41,470
full of light which the presentations

1068
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:43,480
cherry-picking claims and claims without

1069
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:45,730
evidence and a lots of conspiratorial

1070
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:48,970
thinking that alone would make kuala

1071
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:50,530
minh a strong contender for the bed

1072
00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:52,510
spoon but she has furthered her case for

1073
00:46:58,070 --> 00:46:55,600
this prestigious award by continuously

1074
00:47:00,000 --> 00:46:58,080
harassing her detractors many of them

1075
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:00,010
scientists at the University of

1076
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:01,810
Wollongong with a series of bizarre

1077
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:05,440
emails but why Lehman could not have

1078
00:47:11,850 --> 00:47:08,830
done that alone her supervisor Brian

1079
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:11,860
Martin a longtime supporter of a

1080
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:13,450
longtime supporter of the

1081
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anti-vaccination and the Faculty of

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Social Sciences that allowed such a

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flawed in damaging PhD to go through

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must share the responsibility and

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so actually what I think if Richard were

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here you will tell it'll do a raspberry

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for better yeah they definitely deserve

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her aspirin okay congratulations to the

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worthy winners of this year's awards

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from Australian skeptics yeah aight guys

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i was talking to Richard Saunders isn't

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it all right he said if we record a

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00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:08,890
trailer for our podcast skeptics with a

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que he'd play it on there unless you're

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00:48:13,859 --> 00:48:12,910
nice nice oven that's very generous it's

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pretty good i'm not sure what we could

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do though I mean well suppose you tell

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people shows about but it's basic as

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this yeah but yeah but you know we talk

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about science and skepticism and things

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that's true as fuzzy you mention the

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website address what merseyside skeptics

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00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,400
talk don't you care yeah yeah I just

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00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:29,440
exertion itunes oh and then we could end

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with like a big song like the skeptics

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with okay god no no no no don't don't do

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thank you for listening to the skeptics

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are now New Zealand people I hope to

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meet you in person at the New Zealand

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00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,250
skeptics national conference this coming

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weekend goodness me that's almost it's

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00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:00,480
almost time for me to pack my bags i'm

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00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:02,910
going to be packing spoons i'm going to

1114
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:05,790
be packing divining rods for divining

1115
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:08,760
tests bit of fun there what else I'll

1116
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:11,610
pack a power balance band to demonstrate

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00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:17,340
I'll pack a premium wine card that might

1118
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:19,980
be a lot of fun sure to make that wine

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taste better hmm I head across the

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Tasman to visit our friends and family

1121
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:29,910
and colleagues in New Zealand to be part

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00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:32,130
of the new zealand skeptics conference I

1123
00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:34,380
am so much looking forward to it'll be

1124
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,270
great to address the New Zealand

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00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:38,160
skeptics and hopefully be very

1126
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:40,830
entertaining hopefully and of course

1127
00:49:45,110 --> 00:49:42,570
i'll be doing interviews there for you

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00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:45,120
to enjoy in the coming weeks for more

1129
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:48,090
information head to conference dot

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00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:52,980
skeptics dot n z and congratulations to

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00:49:58,070 --> 00:49:55,050
the winners of the australian skeptics

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00:49:59,780 --> 00:49:58,080
awards you just heard and if you want to

1133
00:50:01,640 --> 00:49:59,790
nominate somebody for the bent spoon for

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00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:01,650
next year i think you can do that

1135
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:04,860
probably in the next few months on the

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00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,290
australian skeptics website but for now

1137
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:10,020
you can consider you consider if you're

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00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:11,250
in australia you consider what

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00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:14,760
organization or individual or company or

1140
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:17,880
product would be worthy of a bent spoon

1141
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:20,700
now as I'll be flying to New Zealand in

1142
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:23,880
not so many days I think I might even

1143
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:26,250
aim to put the skeptic zone out a little

1144
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:29,220
early next week we'll see we'll see ah

1145
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,490
or I'll try to UM at least edit it all

1146
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:34,560
together because I'll be quite busy

1147
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:37,260
doing my my talks in my our trip to New

1148
00:50:42,350 --> 00:50:39,480
Zealand stay tuned look if the show

1149
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:42,360
comes out unexpectedly early then you'll

1150
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,210
understand why if not it might come out

1151
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:47,220
more or less on time and who knows I

1152
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:48,390
might even have a clip from New Zealand

1153
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:50,520
already although that's a bit tricky to

1154
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:52,730
do on the run but I've done it before

1155
00:50:57,319 --> 00:50:56,370
we'll see we'll see but for this week

1156
00:50:59,359 --> 00:50:57,329
with a little shadow

1157
00:51:01,459 --> 00:50:59,369
to Hugo and Charlie hi guys haven't

1158
00:51:03,739 --> 00:51:01,469
forgotten about you this is Richard

1159
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:03,749
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1160
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:10,140
Australia you've been listening to the

1161
00:51:16,459 --> 00:51:12,630
skeptics own podcast visit our website

1162
00:51:19,759 --> 00:51:16,469
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1163
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:19,769
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00:51:24,979 --> 00:51:22,920
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00:51:31,819 --> 00:51:28,349
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00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:40,229
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1171
00:51:44,299 --> 00:51:41,880
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1172
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:44,309
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1173
00:51:48,769 --> 00:51:45,930
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